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Pradeep Rai, if you don’t understand the topic then what makes you believe that people are drawing conclusions from inherently flawed reasoning. Whose reasoning you are calling flawed Mr Chndra’s or Dr Sharan’s without understanding them? balmiki_paswan@yahoo.co.in Chandra is not the first person to claim that Aryabhata was from Kerala. He is certainly not the last one. If you search for Aryabhata or Aryabhatt on Google, you will find plenty of people on the either side of the coin. To prove Chandra wrong, you must provide valid proof with legitimate references. Bashing Chandra is not the right way to do it. First of all I would like to congratulate Prof. Saran for
his compressive reply to Mr. Chandra's points and for
proposing to meet Mr. Chandra for one to one
discussion. Well done professor points well taken. ----------------------------------------------------- We are all aware of the tendency of a winning army rewriting history to suit its political ends. Thus the British came to give a history of India which was designed to propagate their rule in India, the Persians tried obliterating the history of India which existed before Muslim conquest of India and so on. The deliberate and vicious neglect of Bihar by the centre resulting in Bihar getting the lowest per capita share of the dev funds in each five year plan without exception since independence coulped with the ineptitude of the state political leadership has resulted in backwardness of our beloved state. But does that make us a defeated people in our own country where certain regional chauvinists can usurp our history behaving like a victorious army? A few days back there was an attempt by some Bengali scholars to approriate the great abbot of Nalanda, Shilbhadra, as one from Bengal rather than from Silao as has been generally accepted till now. Then there was a Ph D study at Cal university trying to disprove that Patna is indeed Pataliputra. Funny as this sound, the fellow was actually awarded Ph D by Cal university for his 'historic' research!!! Now this attempt of K Chandra Hari to claim Aryabhatta. I dont remember who said Poverty is a Sin, but even he would not have had this dimension of 'sin' when he wrote his oft quoted statement. The blatant bias of the likes of Chandra Hari has to be exposed. Indeed it is time that we Biharis claim our legacy and counter such vicious propaganda effectively. Perhaps militant sub nationalism is the only course left to reclaim what is rightfully ours since others seem to have little regards for historical facts and our sensitivities and sensibilities. I resent the attempt by people here (including Chandra Hari) to link the ethnicity of Dr Sharan to insinuate that he has written what he has written because he is from Bihar. I resent the attempt of some others even more who in trying to present a facade of neutrality end by alluding that Dr Sharan has been less than gentlemanly in his write up - I read Dr Sharan's article again and again and must say it is a monotonous write up written with no hint of a slur or inneundo. If at all, it can be accused of being boring.Thakur Vikas Sinha Powai, Mumbai.
As suggested by Dr. Balasubramainum, I can discuss
this in a Forum which ought to be Bihar Puravid
Parishad Patna which is a society of Historians. This
is a historical matter primarily i.e. the Place of
Aryabhatt. Next time when I come to India , I will
let you also know, and let Shree Chandra Hari present
his ideas there. Bihartmes.com is not a scientific forum or journal. Therefore, it is inappropriate for a technical discussion such as longitude and latitude of Ujjain or any other place. pkr5ul@gmail.com ------------------------------------------ Even though Saran is trying hard to bring out the idea that Chandra Hari is the one who wants to prove badly that Aryabhata was a Keralite, from the tone of the discussion, it sounds more like Sharan is more offensive. Revati revati_n27@yahoo.com The discussion was indeed about Aryabhatt only, and it was asharan@engr.mun.ca A public forum like BiharTimes.com is hardly an appropriate place for personal rhetoric. Both of you have PhD degrees and both of you are well aware of philosophy of science. I would request both of you to maintain the dignity and decorum of the scientific process.
These three confessions are crucial to determine which way my natural inclination might sway. pkr5ul@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------- May I interject and give my kind advice. I do not like the tone of the dicussion. Both Prof. Sharan and Dr. Chandra Hari are well known to me and I respect them both. The right thing to do will be for them to meet in person (the next time Prof. Sharan visits India) and sort out the matters like true Indians - by mutual discussion. I invite them both to IIT Kanpur for this. I also kindly request that each person maintains mutual respect for each other in all kind of dealings, whether private or personal. After all, we are all working for the greatness of India and let us now get bogged down with minor concerns. If there is anything that I may do to help, I will be very glad to. Simple thing would be for all of you to blame me Balasubramaniam Dept of MME IIT Kanpur ----------------------------------------------------- If Malyalam is as old as its preachers claim it to be and if Kerela was so advanced in astronomy as Chandra Hari claims it to be then if Aryabahtt was born in Kerela, what was the need for him to travel to Patliputra and do all his work in Sanskrit? He would have remained in Kerela and done all his work in Malyalam similar to his contemporary scholars from Kerela, isn't it? Chandra Hari's paper is a fraud and Dr Sharan has caught him red handed. I think for Chandra Hari it would have been easier to create some factious contemporary scholar declaring him more knowledgeable than Aryabhatt rather than trying to change the birth place of Aryabhatt from Patliputra to Kerela. His attempts sound like declaring some gutter in Kerela as river Ganges and rewriting the history of Patliputra around that gutter. Dinesh Patel dineshpatel85@googlemail.com --------------------------------------------------------- I won’t be surprised if tomorrow another paper comes claiming original historical Patliputra city was in Kerela. We all know that basic needs of a human being is Food, Cloth and Home but when he gets these his basic needs shifts…he then needs a Car..then a Jet plane and so on. Kerela’s basic developmental needs have been satisfied and now it needs a great history to be great state. You know when some low life becomes rich then to show off in high society he starts buying old vintage Cars, old swords, old paintings, old palaces and then tells everybody that all these belongs to his Great-Great Grand Father. Fact remains that it actually belonged to some one. Sometime some historical artefacts are stolen and sold to some rich people so that they can satisfy their show off needs. Sometimes influential people simply snatch them, “you dirty fellow what you will do with these precious things, you have denigrated from your old great hereditary you don’t deserve them.” What poor Bihar will do with history of Patliputra and Aryabhatt? They all belong to Kerela! Kerela needs a history to show off! Give it to Kerela!! Kerela is educated, Kerela is shining…now it needs an Aryabhatt and a Bhaskar to show off. Nothing new, it has been happening through out the history. Bihar’s history is too tempting unfortunately it is too poor to protect them. There are many thieves out there. India is indebted to Bihar for traditions of Budhha my foot! Don’t you know that if Napoleon could have carried Pyramid from Egypt to France he would have declared whole Egyptian Civilization belonging to France unfortunately he could not…similarly giving credit to Bihar for Buddhism is no charity. For claiming Budhhism one will have to convince lot many Buddhist countries around the world. Unfortunately they are smarter than pseudo scholars of Kerela. Won’t they claim Budhha belonging to their country rather than handing it over to Kerela. Anyway Aryabhatt, Bhaskr are free for loot!! Today Bihar is just a poor and backward state of India without any history or without any geography. If Bihar can not protect people in Assam who associate themselves to history of Bihar as recent as 100 years how can it protect those who are associated with its ancient history? So...Mr Sharan now you know why Aryabhatt was born in Kerela it is because you are a lower intellectual self, your Bihari politicians have degenerated....you don't know physiotherapy and molecular biology.....why don't you just keep silent and accept that why only Arybhatt but entire ancient history of Bihar took place in Kerela. Balmiki Paswan balmiki_paswan@yahoo.co.in The journal "Current Science" is a dubious journal with zero impact bpandey@ics.mq.edu.au
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